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              Distance Education: The *Unofficial* FAQ
                       (A Periodic Posting)
                            Part 2 of 2
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                     [ Continued from Part 1 ]

14.  I'm new to the distance education scene.  How can I tell if
     a school is credible or not?

     If a school doesn't have regional accreditation, your red
     flags should go up until you have substantive proof that
     it's a credible institution.  I use a 62-point set of
     criteria to discern the credibility of both educational
     institutions and professional credentialing agencies.  If
     you'd like a copy, drop me a note and I'll e-mail it to you.
     It's a freebie, with no advertising or other bullshit
     attached.

15.  After looking at the whole ball of wax, I can't help
     thinking that non-regionally accredited schools are a hell
     of a lot cheaper than the regionally accredited schools.
     Why don't I just go with one of them?

     Because if you do, you will certainly deserve what you get.
     Look, there are a lot of numb-nuts on this newsgroup that
     think they're getting a bargain by going with an
     unaccredited school to save a few bucks.  But the old
     saying, "You get what you pay for," holds up well here.  A
     legitimately accredited school may cost more now, but it
     will pay off in the long run, both financially and in terms
     of credibility.

     For what it's worth, I have heard hundreds of horror stories
     from people who have been ripped off by degree mills, and
     you can be sure that when it comes to distance learning, the
     degree mills far outnumber the credible schools.  Remember,
     if even one person can question the legitimacy of your
     degrees, it's not worth it.  When it comes to your
     credentials, credibility is *everything*.

16.  Okay, you've made your point.  Now, let's get back to
     constructive information.  What about receiving credit based
     on my experience?

     Credit earned for life experience through the development of
     a portfolio is fairly common at the undergraduate level, but
     almost *never* acceptable at the graduate level.  In other
     words, an undergraduate degree may be based on previous
     learning, since the theory of nontraditional education is
     that it doesn't matter how you've learned what you've
     learned, merely that you do, in fact, have the same level of
     knowledge that a student taking an undergraduate course
     would have.  However, it is an accepted fact that graduate
     degrees must represent *new* learning.  That's an across-
     the-board rule of thumb in *all* regionally accredited
     programs.

     Some distance education learning programs will grant only a
     limited number of credits for life experience, while others
     place no limitation on the amount of credit you can earn
     using this method.  Generally, you can maximize your credits
     for life experience at any of the three state colleges
     geared exclusively toward adult learners: Charter Oak State
     College in Connecticut, Regents College of the University of
     the State of New York, and Thomas Edison State College in
     New Jersey.  (As an example of how this works, I received my
     own B.A. in Humanities from Thomas Edison State College by
     doing 98 credits by portfolio, testing out of 16 credits,
     and transferring in 6 credits for actual courses I had taken
     years earlier.)

17.  What's the difference between graduate programs that are
     totally external from those which require some time spent in
     residence?

     *Most*, though not all, graduate programs that are *totally*
     external tend to be degree mills.  You should be aware that
     the word "external" is open to interpretation.  For example,
     the regionally accredited Vermont College of Norwich
     University advertises its M.A. program as being "external,"
     although they do require a five-day colloquium in residence
     and several one-day interdisciplinary seminars.

     The concept of "residency" is also open.  In the Ph.D.
     program of The Union Institute, for example, there are 35
     required residency days: a 10-day colloquium, three 5-day
     seminars, and ten peer days.  However, any of these may be
     taken at numerous locations in the country (and, for that
     matter, in other countries), so it's not as if you actually
     have to schlep to Cincinnati to fulfill these requirements.

     I support the concept of required residency periods at the
     graduate level for two reasons.  First, distance education
     tends to be a "Lone Ranger" experience for many people.
     With the advent of the Internet, society is becoming even
     more withdrawn than before, and the in-person contact that
     accompanies academic residency experiences is valuable in
     many ways.  Second, at the graduate level, persons are often
     trained to be leaders in their fields, and residency
     experiences provide both a reality check and quality control
     point that will aid you in becoming the best professional
     you can be.  (Face it, if you had a personal problem, would
     you want to be counseled by a so-called professional who
     held an unaccredited degree and did his or her doctorate on
     a *totally* external basis?)  Moreover, I submit that anyone
     who wants to avoid *all* residency experiences at the
     graduate level doesn't deserve a graduate degree in the
     first place, since he or she will certainly not become a
     competent professional.  Remember, graduate-0level
     residencies mean an occasional couple of days, maybe even an
     occasional week or two, at a time.  They do *not* mean
     entire semesters spent in residence.  If you can't hack
     that, you should question why you want a graduate degree in
     the first place.

18.  What are my options in licensure-oriented fields such as
     law, psychology, and counseling?

     Let's take them one by one.  First, law: This is one of the
     more popular areas of inquiry on the newsgroup, and the news
     is not good.  Forty-three states have an "ABA-only"
     requirement, i.e., in order to sit for the state bar exam a
     student *must* have graduated from a law school that is
     approved by the American Bar Association.  The ABA has made
     it clear that they do not support nontraditional education;
     in fact, even in the traditional environment, the ABA has
     strict requirements that limit legal education to a three-
     year full-time or four-year part-time process.  Bottom line:
     No external or nontraditional law school will qualify you to
     take the bar in any state whatsoever . . . except
     California.  However, there are two "caveats emptor" here:
     first, the California bar exam is one of the toughest in the
     country, and the pass rate is very low for nontraditional
     programs.  Second, most states do not have a reciprocity
     arrangement for graduates of unaccredited California law
     schools.  That means that, even if you earn your law degree
     nontraditionally from a non-ABA approved school and pass the
     California bar, you will not be able to practice in any
     other state.  For all intent and purpose, the *only* was to
     become a lawyer in the state of your choice is through the
     traditional route at an ABA-approved law school.

     Now, psychology: In the same way that most states have an
     ABA requirement, almost all states have an APA (American
     Psychological Association) requirement at the *doctoral*
     level.  In other words, to become a licensed psychologist,
     or to be allowed to sit for the psychology boards in most
     states, you must hold a doctorate in psychology (either a
     Ph.D. or a Psy.D.) from an APA-approved institution.  The
     good news is that this standard is not as firm as the
     standard used for lawyers, so if you hold a doctorate from a
     regionally accredited school that is *substantially* in
     conformance with the APA standards (such as The Saybrook
     Institute, The Union Institute, Walden University) you will
     be able to sit for the psych boards.  At this writing, The
     Fielding Institute (in Santa Barbara, CA) is the only
     nontraditional program that is approved by the APA.  You
     should be aware that *all* psychology doctorates have a
     residency component (usually in the form of short-term or
     modular residencies).  If a school offers a psychology
     degree but it is not even regionally accredited (examples
     include LaSalle University and St. John's University, both
     Louisiana degree mills), avoid it like the plague; you will
     not be able to sit for the psych boards under *any*
     circumstances with such a credential.

     In the field of professional counseling (a field separate
     from psychology, usually leading to licensure as a
     professional counselor or "LPC"), there is much more of an
     open attitude toward nontraditional learning.  At this
     writing, counselor licensure is also open to master's degree
     graduates, as opposed to the doctoral requirement for the
     field of psychology.  You should be aware, however, that any
     school offering courses designed to lead to the board exam
     of the National Board for Certified Counselors (used as the
     primary licensure exam in 33 states at this writing) will
     have some residency component for each licensure-required
     course.  Best bets in this area: Liberty University
     (Falwell's school in Lynchburg, VA) and Vermont College of
     Norwich University.  Liberty has a somewhat boring
     rote/canned program, but they have met the board
     requirements for the NBCC by way of being in Virginia, one
     of the most tight-assed states in the nation regarding
     counselor licensure; they normally have a week-long modular
     requirement for each course.  Vermont College of Norwich
     University has a much more flexible, creative curriculum,
     and each licensure-oriented component requires an intensive
     weekend seminar.  As with psychology, beware of degree mills
     offering licensure credentials, and check carefully into the
     requirements of your state *before* enrolling in a program.

19.  I have some questions about specific institutions.  HOw do I
     find out more about them?

     There are many schools about which new newsgroup readers
     have specific questions.  Some of the more common are
     Regents University, Thomas Edison State College, and Charter
     Oak College (the most well-known nontraditional programs at
     the bachelor's level), as well as the numerous regionally
     accredited programs at the master's and doctoral levels.
     Even more common are questions about degree mills such as
     LaSalle University, American Coastline, California Coast,
     Kensington, Kennedy-Western, the American Institute of
     Computer Science, and other schools that have been discussed
     on the newsgroup.

     Chances are that if you are wondering about a specific
     school, it's already been covered here.  Therefore, your
     best starting point is to look up previous posts about the
     school you want to check out.  You can find these by doing a
     web search at <http://www.dejanews.com>, the archival
     resource for all Usenet newsgroup posts.  Just use the
     school name as a search term and see what has *already* been
     posted in the newsgroup about them.

     You will often find that there is a diversity of opinion on
     the credibility of many schools.  Take this as a red flag:
     if the reputation of a school is controversial or open to
     scrutiny, chances are that the school is not very credible
     in the first place.

20.  Okay, so what's my next step?

     Get a book or two, write for a slew of catalogues and
     program literature, and do your own research.  Take your
     time and make careful decisions, and don't be in too much of
     a rush; the decisions you make will impact you for a
     lifetime.  Above all, don't take *anyone's* word as to what
     is right for you - not even John Bear's, not the even the
     word of half of the yahoos who post messages here
     (especially the ones with the unaccredited degrees), and not
     even mine.  Take responsibility for your own research *and*
     your own decisions so you can ensure you're making the right
     moves.

21.  By the way, what about the "official" FAQ for this group?

     The FAQ written by Rita Laws has some useful information,
     but you should be aware that of several factors.  First,
     Rita holds an unaccredited Ph.D. from California Coast
     University (which I have classified as a degree mill).
     Second, many - though not all - of the people who
     contributed to the FAQ and who are acknowledged by Rita also
     hold unaccredited degrees, or have been professionally
     associated with degree mills.  Finally, Rita lists the web
     sites for several degree mills (including California Coast
     University, Miami Christian University, Greenleaf
     University, Greenwich University, Summit University of
     Louisiana, and the University of Berkeley) - therefore, in
     listing both accredited and unaccredited schools together,
     use of her list as a resource tool to search for a program
     becomes a big risk.

     I believe that Rita's FAQ contains many errors, both in
     facts and in other positions, but you should read it
     nonetheless.  As always, you should take neither her
     positions *nor* my positions to heart, but get off your butt
     and do your own research into *all* sides of the issues,
     then make your own decisions as an *informed* educational
     consumer.

22.  By the way, who the hell are you anyway?

     Glad you asked.  I am, it would seem, the "instigator
     emeritus" of the newsgroup, having raised hackles here on a
     regular basis until I semi-retired recently to pursue other
     activities.  And, if you didn't want to know about my
     qualifications - as you should want to know the
     qualifications of *anyone* who purports to pontificate on
     this newsgroup - then you would have already deemed yourself
     to be a careless educational consumer.  So, for
     informational purposes, here, without the usual hype, is my
     standard biographical sketch:

         Steve Levicoff is Director of the Institute on Religion
         and Law in Ambler, Pennsylvania, and has served as an
         adjunct professor at Biblical Theological Seminary, the
         Philadelphia College of Bible Graduate School, and The
         Union Institute Graduate School.  He earned three degrees
         non-traditionally from regionally accredited colleges and
         universities (B.A. in Humanities, Edison State College;
         M.A. in Theology and Law, Norwich University; Ph.D. in
         Religion and Law, The Union Institute).  In addition to
         articles in The Christian Century, Christian Counseling
         Today, Christian Education Journal, Evangelical Journal,
         and Visions Magazine, his books include "Christian
         Counseling and the Law" (Moody Press, 1991), "Name It and
         Frame It? New Opportunities in Adult Education and How to
         Avoid Being Ripped Off by 'Christian' Degree Mills"
         (Institute on Religion and Law, 4th ed., 1995), and
         "Street Smarts: A Survival Guide to Personal Evangelism
         and the Law" (Baker Book House, 1994), as well as
         additional contributions to book anthologies.

     And yes, I still like to push the edge of the First
     Amendment envelope, and I'm sure that several newsgroup
     readers (especially those with unaccredited degrees and
     those affiliated with degree mills) will trash some of what
     I have to say here.  That's cool; it's better to be talked
     about in vain than not at all.  If you, after reading this,
     have any questions, feel free to e-mail me; I'll respond as
     time allows.

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